# Discussion **URL:** https://forum.patternclub.org/c/discussion/10.md [Latest](https://forum.patternclub.org/latest.md) · [Categories](https://forum.patternclub.org/categories.md) --- ## [About the Discussion category](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/about-the-discussion-category/649)
**Author:** [@yaxu](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/yaxu)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [15 April 2025 11:20 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/about-the-discussion-category/649 "2025-04-15T11:20:09Z")
General pattern discussions/threads that don’t need a category, or don’t fit into any other existing category. --- ## [Code of Conduct](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/code-of-conduct/78)
**Author:** [@yaxu](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/yaxu)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [1 October 2020 17:47 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/code-of-conduct/78 "2020-10-01T17:47:36Z")
Alpaca forum - Code of Conduct All participants in this forum are required to agree with the following code of conduct. Please support it and help ensure a safe environment for everybody. What Is This? To meet our aim t… --- ## [Welcome to Alpaca](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/welcome-to-alpaca/7)
**Author:** [@system](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/system)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [30 September 2020 21:53 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/welcome-to-alpaca/7 "2020-09-30T21:53:03Z")
Welcome! The forum hosts discussion around “Algorithmic Pattern” - the ancient practice of making things through procedures and rules - e.g. repetition, symmetry, and interference at multiple scales. We often share read… --- ## [Knitting an anti-surveillance jumper](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/knitting-an-anti-surveillance-jumper/525)
**Author:** [@illestpreacha](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/illestpreacha)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [30 April 2026 14:13 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/knitting-an-anti-surveillance-jumper/525 "2026-04-30T14:13:55Z")
I like the concept of how analog technology can be used to aid in protecting from digital technology https://kddandco.com/2022/11/02/knitting-an-anti-surveillance-jumper/ --- ## [Bought a cool scarf](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/bought-a-cool-scarf/730)
**Author:** [@Mags](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/Mags)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [27 October 2025 08:49 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/bought-a-cool-scarf/730 "2025-10-27T08:49:10Z")
Hi all, Not interesting enough for the Weaving Thread (heh). Just watched Lea’s two talks (Lea, making things: Weaving Notation at Strange Loop and DIS 2020 Paper Talk: Investigating Underdetermination Through Interact… --- ## [First Symposium on the Platonic Space (Online Fall '25)](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/first-symposium-on-the-platonic-space-online-fall-25/701)
**Author:** [@jarm](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/jarm)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [28 August 2025 14:27 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/first-symposium-on-the-platonic-space-online-fall-25/701 "2025-08-28T14:27:49Z")
The concept of a structured space of patterns, which informs (in-forms) events in our physical world (constraining physics, and enabling biology), but exists independently of it, is ancient. Recent work in a number of d… --- ## [On the South Indian folk art of Kolams as Algorithmic Pattern?](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/on-the-south-indian-folk-art-of-kolams-as-algorithmic-pattern/429)
**Author:** [@anu1905](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/anu1905)\ **Replies:** 7\ **Last updated:** [13 April 2025 09:54 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/on-the-south-indian-folk-art-of-kolams-as-algorithmic-pattern/429 "2025-04-13T09:54:21Z")
Hello, I’ve recently taken wholesome interest in Kolams after listening to Eglash’s older talks on African fractal patterns and recently, “computing for generative justice”. Kolams have been studied in mathematics and c… --- ## [Weaving algorithmic patterns with AdaCad](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/weaving-algorithmic-patterns-with-adacad/464)
**Author:** [@yaxu](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/yaxu)\ **Replies:** 4\ **Last updated:** [4 November 2024 18:24 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/weaving-algorithmic-patterns-with-adacad/464 "2024-11-04T18:24:52Z")
Thanks to @devendorf for this inspiring talk, which included an introduction to AdaCAD (the live captions will be added to the video in the next day or so) Thanks to @Kavi for the nudge - as promised, thi… --- ## [Zotero group](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/zotero-group/633)
**Author:** [@yaxu](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/yaxu)\ **Replies:** 3\ **Last updated:** [14 October 2024 08:51 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/zotero-group/633 "2024-10-14T08:51:56Z")
Hi all, We had a nice zotero group going but annoyingly it’s got corrupted, with a lot of half-broken duplications and the categorisation has gone. If anyone happens to have an old version in zotero with categories etc,… --- ## [Mechanical music - search for patterns](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/mechanical-music-search-for-patterns/430)
**Author:** [@yaxu](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/yaxu)\ **Replies:** 9\ **Last updated:** [10 October 2024 08:56 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/mechanical-music-search-for-patterns/430 "2024-10-10T08:56:36Z")
I’ve been looking for interesting pattern-making devices in mechanical music, but not finding anything. Lots of musical sequences from rotating drums (like music boxes) or punched paper (like pianolas) but I can’t seem t… --- ## [Patterns are alive, and we are living patterns | Michael Levin](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/patterns-are-alive-and-we-are-living-patterns-michael-levin/629)
**Author:** [@jarm](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/jarm)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [15 August 2024 18:57 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/patterns-are-alive-and-we-are-living-patterns-michael-levin/629 "2024-08-15T18:57:16Z")
--- ## [Fictional alphabet patterns](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/fictional-alphabet-patterns/538)
**Author:** [@gundega.strautmane](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/gundega.strautmane)\ **Replies:** 18\ **Last updated:** [26 July 2024 01:36 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/fictional-alphabet-patterns/538 "2024-07-26T01:36:39Z")
Fictional alphabets (writing systems used in books, films, and computer games) or Imaginary alphabets in the field of visual arts are becoming more and more popular every next year. Thanks to my friend Georgios Diapouli… --- ## [Vera Molnár - generative art pioneer](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/vera-molnar-generative-art-pioneer/556)
**Author:** [@PatriceG](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/PatriceG)\ **Replies:** 2\ **Last updated:** [7 December 2023 20:01 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/vera-molnar-generative-art-pioneer/556 "2023-12-07T20:01:07Z")
Surprised to see algorithmic patterns mentioned in a newsletter from Sotheby’s, They produced this nice little video story about the work of early digital artist Vera Molnar, who is is still creating new work as NFT’s at… --- ## [Lace making & algorithms/tesselations](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/lace-making-algorithms-tesselations/609)
**Author:** [@hschultestudio](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/hschultestudio)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [14 November 2023 22:46 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/lace-making-algorithms-tesselations/609 "2023-11-14T22:46:56Z")
I’ve been dipping my toes into some bobbin lace making, and found this amazing research/resource/software: GroundForge by Jo Pol, Marian Tempels and Veronika Irvine I’m looking forward to playing around with it a bi… --- ## [Algorithms and language](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/algorithms-and-language/594)
**Author:** [@hschultestudio](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/hschultestudio)\ **Replies:** 6\ **Last updated:** [3 October 2023 18:36 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/algorithms-and-language/594 "2023-10-03T18:36:36Z")
I’m starting this topic as I’m reading “Language and the Rise of the Algorithm” by Jeffrey M. Binder, and would love a space to discuss it. I’ll be posting notes and thoughts as I read. I’m interested in not only the way… --- ## [Notation of movement and effort - dance and percussion](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/notation-of-movement-and-effort-dance-and-percussion/448)
**Author:** [@yaxu](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/yaxu)\ **Replies:** 12\ **Last updated:** [5 June 2023 15:53 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/notation-of-movement-and-effort-dance-and-percussion/448 "2023-06-05T15:53:37Z")
I’ve been enjoying reading into effort from a choreographic perspective. Here’s dance instructor Tehya Malone explaining the four dimensions of space/focus, time, weight and flow, and how they combine to create eight kin… --- ## [Generative psychogeography](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/generative-psychogeography/534)
**Author:** [@yaxu](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/yaxu)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [28 February 2023 14:09 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/generative-psychogeography/534 "2023-02-28T14:09:07Z")
Here’s a nice kind of pattern - generative psychogeography. Wilfried Hou Je Bek won the Transmediale Software Art Award for his work on this back in 2004. On the face of it, his ‘.walk’ instructions for navigating a cit… --- ## [Pattern notation](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/pattern-notation/304)
**Author:** [@yaxu](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/yaxu)\ **Replies:** 10\ **Last updated:** [17 December 2022 16:33 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/pattern-notation/304 "2022-12-17T16:33:21Z")
Another thread, this one for collecting references and links around ways of notating algorithmic patterns, and the following discussions. --- ## [Aligning elements](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/aligning-elements/492)
**Author:** [@yaxu](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/yaxu)\ **Replies:** 8\ **Last updated:** [25 November 2022 16:34 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/aligning-elements/492 "2022-11-25T16:34:51Z")
I’ve been thinking about the different ways of aligning sequences in music, trying to list the possibilities. For example with the three sequences a b, 1 2 3 and w x y z: Flush left: a b 1 2 3 w x y z Flush right: … --- ## [Symbols and alphabets](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/symbols-and-alphabets/360)
**Author:** [@yaxu](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/yaxu)\ **Replies:** 1\ **Last updated:** [31 October 2022 10:46 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/symbols-and-alphabets/360 "2022-10-31T10:46:25Z")
Symbols are kind of the ‘atoms’ of algorithmic patterns, so I thought it would be good to kick off a thread dedicated to them with this atlas of endangered alphabets: --- ## [Tacit relation between algorithm and pattern](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/tacit-relation-between-algorithm-and-pattern/504)
**Author:** [@yaxu](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/yaxu)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [7 August 2022 09:46 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/tacit-relation-between-algorithm-and-pattern/504 "2022-08-07T09:46:19Z")
Sorry another half-formed thought.. I’ve been reading Polanyi’s classic “The tacit dimension” while learning konnakol, and generally thinking about the relationship between an algorithm and its pattern. Tacit knowledge … --- ## [New domain - https://forum.algorithmicpattern.org](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/new-domain-https-forum-algorithmicpattern-org/441)
**Author:** [@yaxu](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/yaxu)\ **Replies:** 0\ **Last updated:** [29 March 2022 09:15 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/new-domain-https-forum-algorithmicpattern-org/441 "2022-03-29T09:15:39Z")
Hi all, Sorry for the lack of advance notice but the domain for this forum has moved from the old https://forum.alpaca.lurk.org/ to the new slightly longer, but perhaps easier to remember https://forum.algorithmicpatter… --- ## [Patterned rituals and Vedic chants](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/patterned-rituals-and-vedic-chants/435)
**Author:** [@yaxu](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/yaxu)\ **Replies:** 2\ **Last updated:** [22 March 2022 10:29 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/patterned-rituals-and-vedic-chants/435 "2022-03-22T10:29:43Z")
This book is interesting: Staal, F. (1996). Ritual and Mantras: Rules Without Meaning. Motilal Banarsidass Publ. (zotero link) A book by a Dutch mathematician and philosopher on Vedic rituals. He takes a linguistic app… --- ## [Creating anti-symmetry using mirrors?](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/creating-anti-symmetry-using-mirrors/432)
**Author:** [@anu1905](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/anu1905)\ **Replies:** 2\ **Last updated:** [14 March 2022 17:07 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/creating-anti-symmetry-using-mirrors/432 "2022-03-14T17:07:37Z")
I’m exploring a tribal folk art called ‘banjara embroidery’ where they use mirrors as an ornamental part of the traditional stitchwork. Like kolams, the banjaras are inspired by fractal symmetries and complementary colou… --- ## [Reading #2 - Laurie Spiegel - Manipulations of Musical Patterns (and others)](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/reading-2-laurie-spiegel-manipulations-of-musical-patterns-and-others/195)
**Author:** [@yaxu](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/yaxu)\ **Replies:** 13\ **Last updated:** [9 May 2021 17:42 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/reading-2-laurie-spiegel-manipulations-of-musical-patterns-and-others/195 "2021-05-09T17:42:36Z")
Ok definitely time for a new reading! http://lauriespiegel.net/ls/writings/musical\_manip.html It’s quite short, so lets try expanding this into a Laurie Spiegel ‘deep cuts’\[1\] session - if you have time/energy to spare… --- ## [Pattern creation classes](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/pattern-creation-classes/409)
**Author:** [@Jones](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/Jones)\ **Replies:** 9\ **Last updated:** [24 January 2022 14:08 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/pattern-creation-classes/409 "2022-01-24T14:08:49Z")
Continuing from the starter class last year, planning on running some more pay-as-you-feel classes in pattern generation. I’d like to take you all through ancient methods of pattern creation, from the basic Roman method… --- ## [fundamental questions](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/fundamental-questions/314)
**Author:** [@ivan](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/ivan)\ **Replies:** 14\ **Last updated:** [16 November 2021 22:18 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/fundamental-questions/314 "2021-11-16T22:18:32Z")
These are some fundamental questions, probably without a definitive answer, but worth to be discussed: Where do patterns come from? What makes a pattern interesting? What are the limits of pattern perception (at which s… --- ## [Deep History of Automation](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/deep-history-of-automation/349)
**Author:** [@mncmncmnc](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/mncmncmnc)\ **Replies:** 5\ **Last updated:** [18 June 2021 07:55 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/deep-history-of-automation/349 "2021-06-18T07:55:37Z")
Hi friends, Recently I’ve become obsessed with the Banu Musa brothers, who worked at the House of Wisdom in Baghdad in the 9th century. Among other things, they designed and created the first known programmable musical … --- ## [Terminology for low-level content of a pattern](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/terminology-for-low-level-content-of-a-pattern/332)
**Author:** [@jarm](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/jarm)\ **Replies:** 4\ **Last updated:** [17 June 2021 18:21 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/terminology-for-low-level-content-of-a-pattern/332 "2021-06-17T18:21:14Z")
What do people think about terminology used to describe the low-level content of a pattern? By this I mean the actual things that are being patterned. Is it possible (and desirable?) to describe these in a domain indepe… --- ## [Levels of patterning](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/levels-of-patterning/293)
**Author:** [@mrreason](https://forum.patternclub.org/u/mrreason)\ **Replies:** 5\ **Last updated:** [20 January 2021 10:24 UTC](https://forum.patternclub.org/t/levels-of-patterning/293 "2021-01-20T10:24:17Z")
When I was looking into patterns in general, I came across the article “Performing with Patterns of Time” by Thor Magnusson and @yaxu long time ago to get started (published in the Oxford Handbook of Algorithmic Music). … [Next page](https://forum.patternclub.org/c/discussion/10.md?page=1)